she's held several big jobs at the pentagon and is very well respected. ashton carter, currently the number two, he has actually spent the last few years wrangling with the defense industry and also with congress, so he comes in with that kind of nuts and bolts experience of how to work through this period of reshaping. >> and when you think about hagel's personal views on iran, because that's, i think, the most substantive of the foreign policy critiques against him, what are they and do they matter for this job? sometimes i hear him and it sounds more like a secretary of defense issue than a secretary of state issue. >> if you remember, it has not been a year since we had a crisis of going to war with iran, so i imagine we'll have at least one more with hagel's tenure. we should exhaust options before we think of a military strike on iran, and that, fortunately or unfortunately, depending how you look at it, a military strike on iran will not necessarily stop iran's nuclear program, and hagel has been quite skeptical about it, a skepticism which is shar